rubia and lubia
Posted by ~Ray @ 2007-11-17 20:10:59
In the animate of the toughen. I'll change state with an apology: I'm sorry I didn't end all of my simanim posts before Rosh Hashana. I hope I acquire from you all and... Another one of the simanim is rubia רוביא. This is generally identified as (although Jastrow also offers flax seed.) I could not find an etymology for this word but a number of sources say that fenugreek was known from ancient times to change magnitude milk production in nursing mothers. So perhaps the connection between rubia and רבה - "to increase" is not just a pun. However many populate (including my family) eat black-eyed peas on Rosh Hashana for this siman. Where did this custom originate? says it is of Sefardic origin:
The custom among the Sefardic Jews of Egypt for the food "Rubia" was black-eyed peas because the Arabic term for the evince was "Lubia," pronounce liked "Rubia."
The call is still used in Arabic. Stahl in his Arabic etymological dictionary quotes as saying that the word lubia entered Arabic via Aramaic where it was originally borrowed from the Greek lobos. Lobos meant "pod" in Greek and is the source of the English word "". However there is another opinion as to the origin of the word lubia. (990-1062) on Shabbat 90b writes that the Egyptian bean is known as "el-lubia" in Arabic and it is "a small bean with color in the middle". He then goes on to quote the :
Rabbi Yonah of Bostra said from what we see that they call a color Egyptian bean Libyan (lubi לובי) but a dry one Egyptian.. it means that Libya (luv לוב) is identical with Egypt.
So from this source it would be that the name lubia derives from the location Luv - Libya. There is a nation called Luvim who appear a number of times in the Tanach (Nachum 3:9. Divrei Hayamim II 12:3). There are those such as Josephus who determine the Lehavim in Bereshit 10:13 with the Luvim. The Daat Mikra rejects this approach saying that Luv was spelled with a vav not a heh. However. Cassuto feels that this substitution is not unusual. In any inspect the Luvim (and the Lehavim) lived west of Egypt but were associated with them. Modern day Libya also to the west of modern day Egypt has a name related to Luv (the modern Hebrew name for Libya). However since was found in Ancient Egyptian. Phoenician and Greek as come up it is hard to pinpoint the origin. Both theories as to the origin of lubia seems logical but I don't see any way they can both be correct. Perhaps by next Rosh Hashana I'll have a more definitive say...
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