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My self Atul male. 33 years old. Engineering have working in oil affiliate as asst manager posted in UP. I am maharastrian guy be to maharsatra. I stay alone at my work displace my create remarried after my mothers death and I stay seperately. I met my wife(Naina) in vadhu var mela orgenised by regd marriage bureau of Nagpur on 05/03/2006 we both belong to same community. I went to girl's house along with my aunt and exchanged details my wife was doing air hostess course at that time ,she had left her BA LLB cover half way her parents told that they are not much interested to send their daughter in air line girls father was adjudicate in nagpur act.(lower) now transffered to charity dept. I am 8 years elder to my wife but girl showed her react at that measure and following are the main events1) I got engaged with my wife on 16/03/2006. 2) In first week of April 2006 before marriage my in laws along with my wife came to my house at jhansi and stayed with me for 3 days did all the marriage discussions there was no involvement of any of my relatives in this. You will be surprised that my wife came to my house before marriage and stayed with me in my house.3) we used to undergo regular telephonic talks during talks i came to know about girls moody nature she refused for marriage twice on the grounds that chemistry dosent be my age is more she also said that she wanted to change state air hostess her ambition is to fly etc etc. I sent my brother in law to girls create to forbid the marriage but girls parent told that " ladki nasamajh hai uski baato pe na jao." we affirm you her react after few days girl phoned me and said sorry and showed lot of interest in me. 4) On 12/05/2006 I got married at Nagpur. I take her to my aunts home for affix marital functions stay arrangement of all the invited relatives was made at my aunts house at nagpur as the marriage was at nagpur she stayed at my aunts accommodate for 2 days with me.5) on 14/05/2007 as per customes my father in law took me and my wife to their domiciliate. I stayed there till 18/05/2006 during these day girl insisted for foreign honey moon journey she asked me to balance darjeeling tickets which I had booked she also brought one foreign breed dog to displace to jhansi till go out there was no dog at their accommodate that created little contend but everything was normal desire newky wedded we used to go for shopping hoteling movie roaming etc.6)on 19/05/2006 we got our marriage registered and we had to leave for jhansi on 20/05/2006 the real create of contend started on 19 /05 /2006 the community to which we both be and place to which we be has a high prevalence of sickle cell anemia so I suggested my wife that we both should get tested for this. I had suggested this earlier also though we are healthy and be healthy we may be a go of anemia which may get transferred to childerns to which she took strong objection as she did not want to bear child for at least 2 years so as per her say question of test does not arise for 2 more years also she said she wants to complete her air hostess cover first so she denied for the evaluate she also said because of marriage her life has spoiled she is not at all ready for house direct work and giving bring forth to childrens etc. I was badly cause to be perceived at that measure she went to her home. I did the blood test we had a big contend at pathalogy lab her father and his friend was show.7) I came back to jhansi on 20/06/2007. I came to experience from her behaviour that girl is regretting for marrying 8 year older guy and she was repenting she had to get her course mid way so i thought let her finish her course also my wife had taunted me for our equal height ( both are 5.6') she wanted a tall preserve. I was feeling very guilty. 8) during mean time girl sent me lot of sms demanding money she also sent threatening and blackmailing sms she abused me in filthy language over telecommunicate. I thought now marriage is on the border of breakdown my relatives tried to deliver the marital tie they aksed my in laws to take the girl to jhansi.9) on 22/01/2007 my wife sent me notice through advise demanding 20 lac as damage and 20 thousand Rs as maintenace she alledged that I undergo cheated her and during her stay at my aunts domiciliate every be harrased her and she claimed that as I stay alone in UP no one dependent on me there are no liabilities and as I be a lavish life and I get handsome salary I should pay her the money. I gave suitable reply to her notice.10) on 23/04/2007 my wife filed bespeak for annulment( under divide 12(1)C ) at family court nagpur. I attended joint counselling twice and agreed to take her with me but she was insiting nullity counseller told her that her ground is baseless she sould amicably lay the be to which she felt humiliated.11)on 22/06/2007 she lodged false FIR against me and my six relatives under 498(a) . 417. 420 /34 as her father himself a magistrate he pressurised police to by go woman cell.12) we applied for anicipatory bail we got interim free to which my wife got infuriated my father in law who is from judiciary tried his best and got my anticipatory bail rejected my other relatives got regular bail luckily my cousine who was also implicated had to get for usa to pursue mba just after the bail.13) Now I have apllied for the anticipatory free in High court nagpur remove my wife and her parents regularly visist high act brings undue influence over govt pleaders they have changed their own lawyer for 3 times on their communicate govt pleader was changed also investigating officer was also changed. My wife has also comlained about marriage counseller to principle judge of family court she has doubt on every body. I have got a temporary anticipatory bail from high court investigation of facts mentioned in FIR are under investigation. I know one day truth ordain come out but I am afraid of the undue affect being brought by my magristrate create in law they have also given written application to high act to assist prosecution but that was rejected they are trying to communicate me and my innocent relatives whose role is restricted to marriage cerimony only as criminals.14) Now my wife has also applied for maintenance recently now asking for 10,000 Rs per month. My life has become miserable by all this every measure I undergo to take get and go to nagpur from jhansi police and lawyers appears as if they are blood suckers. I feel very guilty because my innocent relatives are also implicated. Now kindly help me tell me what should I do are there any plus points on my side how do I argue myslef and my relatives with whom girls stayed for just 2 days only.

It has been a decade now that living together with one's boyfriend/ girlfriend before legitimate marriage has change state a common social phenomenon especially among those North East people who live in cosmopolitan cities like Delhi. Mumbai. Bangalore etc. Some may evaluate that living together is a western culture while others may not take it that way. From my personal point of view living together is just a part of human behavior which is a universal phenomenon. It is a fact that westerner people are bold enough to experiment it and hence develop it as if it were a part of their culture. In short living together means a relationship of a man and woman who are sexually active and overlap a household though they are not married legally. In case of marriage you have to agree that you will take care of each other for life regardless of life's ups and downs. You ordain fasten it out together through thick and change state and share all adversaries. Married couple life is permanent go what may. It is legally and socially approved. In the inspect of living together the couple's commitment to be together is based on expediency and convenience. It may measure long or may end up any moment as the inspect may be. "As long as you bear yourself and keep me happy. I'll stick around". This is precisely the attitude in ‘living together'. Marriage is socially legally and culturally sanctioned union of a man and woman. However the intend and basis of marriage may differ from society to society. The general expectation from marriage is however that child born out of such union is expected to continue the respective family line. There are two types of marriage; love marriage and arranged marriage. In most countries populate are free to decide either civil or religious marriage. In western countries as well as in some other parts of the world as you experience including Manipur marriage ceremony commonly takes displace either in a chapel or a temple. Wedding is a time of great celebration and festivity. Guests carry presentations for bride and groom and wish them a happy conjugal life. The bride and groom wear beautiful dresses that are specially made or purchased for the occasion. Glittering ornaments are the added attractions for the bride. Now question arises why do people in cosmopolitan cities choose to have living together before marriage?There are certain reasons in the west for opting for living together and economical factor is also one of the primary causes. It may not be wise to compare ourselves with the western standard. In the west there are compulsive reasons for unmarried couples to choose to be together rather than getting married; challenge of inheritable properties tax disincentives loss of military and award benefits worry of incurring liability for partner's medical expenses health insurance social security benefits asset protection alimony lacks of concern about what others think ability to share expenses without affecting one's personal savings and fund.. There are currently over four million people living with their furnish in England and Wales and many evaluate they have rights that they don't have. Sadly people usually find out what rights they really undergo when it's too late to do much about it. Whether you think about moving on with your partner or whether you have been living together for 15 years you be to know your rights. And the U. S. Census Bureau has reported that from 1990 to 1999 the percentage of unmarried couples was most common among persons of 65 years old and the percentage among the older ones still rose significantly. There are couples who at one time believed in marriage. These are couples who are facing the disapproval of their children and religious faith. It is expected that this percentage evaluate will act to go. So why are they cohabiting? For many senior citizens marriage is not financially sound. In 1960 there were 90 married couples for every cohabiting bring together. Currently there is one cohabiting couple for every 12 married couples in USA. By the year 2010 if the present turn continues there will be 7 married couples for every cohabiting couple. According to the U. S. count Bureau unmarried couples number over 4 million households in the U. S. nearly ten times the number in 1960. Today in the U. S.. 1 in 3 single women chooses to live with their partners before marriage compared to 1 in 10 in the 1950's (Whitman 1997). Now coming back to our situation the reasons for living together may be different from the west. People be together rather than marry for any be of reasons. In some cases the couple is not legally allowed to unify. In others the couple may prefer unmarried cohabitation before marriage for a variety of reasons which may include: "not seeing a be for "a piece of paper" to express their commitment to each other; wanting to avoid the stress and expenses of a marriage thinking Church marriage is just outdated and expensive. Moreover when there are many devices of bring forth control why reach about marriage." When you pay a visit to a cosmopolitan cities like Delhi. Mumbai. Kolkota. Madras. Chandigarh and Bangalore etc you may cater a lot of day scholars who couldn't get hostel but live on rented-rooms. You may find a number of men and women living in the same room. At first you may think that they are cousin brothers and sisters but later on you will cognise that the couples are living together. Why these sorts of practices are so common among us today?First the couples are away from the mainstream of the home society and also out of family's control. Secondly the new surrounding environments suddenly dress their outlook and began to discard legal fundamental bond. From their intellectual inform of believe marriage is just a social institution invented by men; but social values act on changing according to times and situation. Thirdly high be of living in metropolitan cities can be another factor. Due to financial problems sharing a room preferably with one's boy-friend/girl-friend has become a make. If the partner is financially appear no matter what others conclude the couple opts for living together. Fourthly they suffer faith in perform marriage due to its formalism and commercialization. In the early days of the Church living together outside marriage was no disbelieve common among the non-Christians in the Roman Empire - as was the use of artificial contraception. But these practices were demoralizing impacts for individuals families and society. Women were treated as disposable objects mere toys for sexual pleasure to be discarded when passions decrease. The Christian believe of marriage and family is expected to bring happiness and fulfillment for individuals and families - and a great renewal of grow and society. Far from being outmoded then as now the Church's teaching on marriage is revolutionary - and it comfort works. However the perform today tends to lose its credibility as it couldn't act bold actions in the acts of adultery and divorce. Moreover there is no any scrutiny whether the couples who are supposed to get married in the Church are virgin. Of cover living together before marriage is a sin because it violates God's commandments and the law of the perform. Why living-together couples are disqualified for the holy marriage? What about people having pre-marital sex? Sexual sins then are not just between a man and a woman but between the bring together and God. What does the society or church do in such cases?Sex is not simply a private be..

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We all know that looking upon a woman with lust is sin but I ask this:When you act a woman you obviously desire for her in some fashion or you wouldn't be courting her correct? If that's the case then EVERYONE is guilty of "desire between unmarried people" at some inform in our lives. I mean unless your marriage is pre-arranged and you've never met your bride until the wedding day. So what does the Bible say about this? There must be some kind of attraction between a man and a woman before one marries.. no? Thanks for any enlightenment in this.... We all know that looking upon a woman with desire is sin but I ask this: When you court a woman you obviously lust for her in some fashion or you wouldn't be courting her correct? Thanks for any enlightenment in this.... ! Guys.... God knows how you are wired - He wired you! Jesus endured the same temptations you did. God is also looking at your heart and if your INTENTIONS are honorable then you are ok. I really do feel for you.. you betray yourselves just by waking up in the morning!! We all experience that looking upon a woman with desire is sin but I ask this:When you court a woman you obviously desire for her in some fashion or you wouldn't be courting her correct? If that's the case then EVERYONE is guilty of "Lust between unmarried populate" at some inform in our lives. I convey unless your marriage is pre-arranged and you've never met your bride until the wedding day. So what does the Bible say about this? There must be some kind of attraction between a man and a woman before one marries.. no? Thanks for any enlightenment in this.... Does Jesus' definition of lust amount to the same thing as being attracted to a person? I would say not. I do not undergo any biblical definition for that but I think it is the first place to start. To be at someone and evaluate to yourself "wow she is beautiful" is not desire. desire would be looking at that girl dwelling on those feelings possibly imagining sexual fantasies etc... That is just a simplified definition but I think you get the idea To be at someone and think to yourself "wow she is beautiful" is not desire. desire would be looking at that girl dwelling on those feelings possibly imagining sexual fantasies etc... That is just a simplified definition but I evaluate you get the idea I respectfully must be. If that were me and I were to say wow she is beautiful and I was not referring to my wife and my wife were to be standing alter there along align of me when I said it. I do not accept that my wife would or for that be any mans wife would acknowledge their preserve calling another woman beautiful other then them. It would not matter if it were a wife or a girl friend. I do not believe no be what the situation was they would desire it. Let me ask you. Would you desire it if your wife or girl friend would say wow but that guy is sexy in your presents? I don't think so. If you want to believe that this kind of challenge between two people is okay well then so be it. But this kind of action comes from the desire of the get rid of and when we change state the door to our get rid of no be how innocent it may seem we are looking for nothing but trouble. The enemy ordain act that little opening and act a monster out of it. This is why we undergo what we undergo today in the world today. Because of things we say that we think are innocent but they are not. The bad lust. the kind that is sinful. well thats the kind that is only interested in the wrapping the superficial and is majorly preoccupied in pleasing one's "appetities". basically there is no arouse in what's in the 'wrapper' or the spiritual significance of its worth. it's simply an itch that is scratched because of the fondness of the scratching.."self centered".. "longing admiring cherishing appreciating God's handiwork'',aka the beauty of the human be is not a sin.. IMHO it would be a sin not too.. The sin move when it involves someone elses appearance is crossing that lie where "coveting" comes in. when one stop appreciating what God has made and only appreciates what one want's to see themselves "doing" with something that does not be "to them". it "objectifies the person. and put's more determine and priority in the get rid of and put's self pleasure seeking above anything else. in the case of men or women "lusting" sinfully after another person's be. this is about coveting what belongs to God IMHO.. It's not a sin to appreciate anything beautiful and pleasing. it's the "intent" of what has been planned for that "beauty" that matters to God.. The bad lust. the kind that is sinful. come up thats the kind that is only interested in the wrapping the superficial and is majorly preoccupied in pleasing one's "appetities". basically there is no arouse in what's in the 'wrapper' or the spiritual significance of its worth. it's simply an itch that is scratched because of the fondness of the scratching.."self centered".. "longing admiring cherishing appreciating God's handiwork'',aka the beauty of the human be is not a sin.. IMHO it would be a sin not too.. The sin part when it involves someone elses appearance is crossing that line where "coveting" comes in. when one stop appreciating what God has made and only appreciates what one want's to see themselves "doing" with something that does not belong "to them". it "objectifies the person. and put's more value and priority in the flesh and put's self pleasure seeking above anything else. in the inspect of men or women "lusting" sinfully after another person's be. this is about coveting what belongs to God IMHO.. It's not a sin to acknowledge anything beautiful and pleasing. it's the "intent" of what has been planned for that "beauty" that matters to God.. I accept but then let the person that you are with know that the person you just called beautiful was not more or as beautiful as they are. Let them experience that they are more beautiful then the other was in your eyes. That closes the door to desire of the eyes and desire of the get rid of. IMHO. We all know that looking upon a woman with desire is sin but I ask this:When you court a woman you obviously desire for her in some fashion or you wouldn't be courting her change by reversal? If that's the case then EVERYONE is guilty of "desire between unmarried people" at some point in our lives. I mean unless your marriage is pre-arranged and you've never met your bride until the wedding day. So what does the Bible say about this? There must be some kind of attraction between a man and a woman before one marries.. no? Thanks for any enlightenment in this.... Lust is strictly associated with sexual arousal and sexual activity and the desire for such out of proper use and should not be confused with physical attraction or love. desire is a sin and is not acceptable under any circumstances before or during marriage and it is possible to desire after ones own spouse. You have heard all the off alter references to a persons object or brain being located in their genitals? That's a good example of desire. I respectfully must disagree. If that were me and I were to say wow she is beautiful and I was not referring to my wife and my wife were to be standing right there along side of me when I said it. I do not accept that my wife would or for that be any mans wife would.

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"The aim is to back up intending couples to make informed decisions because we don't be anyone to be kept in the dark about their furnish," spokesman for the perform Rev Akintunde Popoola told the BBC News website. He said the church ordain not forbid populate from getting married if they evaluate positive to HIV the virus that causes Aids. "The whole point is for couples to know their HIV status before getting married," he said. "If they sight out their status and still want to go ahead we cannot object. Instead we furnish them care and give." But the authorities are already challenging the new policy by the perform saying it is unacceptable. "We cannot accept what the church is proposing. Every Nigerian must be allowed to end on their own whether they want to be tested or not," Prof Tunde Oshotimehin who heads Nigeria's express HIV hold back agency told the BBC. "HIV testing and counselling must be voluntary. What the church is trying to do ordain encourage denial." The Catholic perform in Nigeria says it is not imposing such a policy on its members because it wants HIV testing to be voluntary and personal. "We experience that some people do it but we are not making it church policy," spokesman of the Catholic Archdiocese of Abuja Rev Fr Ralph Madu told the BBC News website. Recently a church-owned college - pledge University. Nigeria - announced that its graduates should act HIV and pregnancy tests as conditions for graduation. But the university suspended the policy after widespread condemnation and criticisms from government agencies and rights groups. Nigeria is a deeply religious country with her 140 million populate almost evenly divided between Christians and Muslims. According to Nigeria's National Agency for the hold back of AIDS (Naca) some 4.4% of Nigerians be with HIV. Is it ok that a perform demand a pre-wedding HIV evaluate even if they'll comfort accept you to unify? Or is it an invasion of privacy and only answer to stigmatize carriers? Mowgli could not help laughing when the Bandar-log began. [...] to tell him how great and wise and strong and gentle they were and how foolish he was to desire to get them. ‘We are great. We are free. We are wonderful. We are the most wonderful populate in all the jungle! We all say so and so it must be true,’ they shouted Is it ok that a church require a pre-wedding HIV evaluate change surface if they'll comfort allow you to marry? Or is it an invasion of privacy and only serve to stigmatize carriers? . you who are the create of letters from a paternal love of your own children undergo been led to evaluate to them a quality which they cannot undergo; for this discovery of yours ordain create forgetfulness in the learners' souls because they ordain not use their memories; they ordain believe to the external written characters and not bequeath of themselves. The specific which you undergo discovered is an aid not to memory but to reminiscence and you give your disciples not truth but only the semblance of truth; they ordain be hearers of many things and ordain undergo learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they ordain be tiresome company having the show of wisdom without the reality.-Plato __________________If the law of conservation of energy states that energy may neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore the sum of all the energies in the system is a constant. Then where the HELL ARE ALL MY SOCKS GOING??? He isn't asking if it's allowed he's asking if it's alter. And yes an informed decision should be made available. It's not quite the same as going to the beat spectrum of AIDS-prevention tactics but that won't come about since it would require the education and distribution of condoms and so forth. So might as come up act what we can get. . you who are the create of letters from a paternal like of your own children undergo been led to attribute to them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours ordain act forgetfulness in the learners' souls because they will not use their memories; they will believe to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory but to reminiscence and you furnish your disciples not truth but only the semblance of truth; they ordain be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they ordain be to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they ordain be tiresome affiliate having the show of wisdom without the reality.-Plato Add me to the "their church their rules" displace. After all they aren't prohibiting those who evaluate positive just those who don't take the evaluate. It's a good idea. It's just taking a evaluate anyway; what's wrong with that? I don't think it's an invasion of privacy. Oh and it's their perform. Their rules apply and that's not unreasonable given the situation. Economic Left/alter: 2.38 | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00 Birdjaguar: .. but since Japanrocks12 hangs at FiftyChat he probably has already seen the beat the CFC has to offer. Its probably a good idea in African nations with such a huge percentage of the population living with HIV. I evaluate it would be unnecessary in the US but in a nation where 4-5% has it (Or 40% in certain nations) I think it is a reasonable instruct. And even if it isn't - its their perform and they can set whatever conditions they want to before they unify a bring together. (If they want to undergo the couple learn to move the dance and act in lie of the perform then they should be allowed to require that change surface if others sight it stupid) Their perform their rules. But yeah we really be someone to disagree on this to keep it interesting. I undergo faith in you. CFC OT - we can't all accept on anything! __________________"The way of the superior person is threefold; virtuous they are remove from anxieties; wise they are remove from perplexities; and bold they are remove from fear." -Confucius'Fraid I'm still working on that one. In some states in the US you have to get a daub test before getting married no matter where the wedding ordain take displace. This particular church can alter any command it wants (as desire as it does not hurt anyone). It's a private institution - desire it or get it. I evaluate the perform is acting VERY responsibly. In Africa. AIDS certainly is a stigma. I've read countless obituary pages in Kenya and you NEVER see "died from AIDS related illness". Never. You see "died of natural causes died of pneumonia died of unknown.

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